Forum Activity for @Chrissie Bettencourt

Chrissie Bettencourt
@Chrissie Bettencourt
09/08/10 11:05:39
4 posts

Cacao in Colombia


Posted in: Opinion

Hello! I was wondering if anyone has any contacts of cacao growers in Columbia or know of groups making some good chocolate there? (I am afraid my knowledge of Colombian cacao is less than desirable which I will have to rectify) I have a student of mine who sill be going back for a visit and is an agronomist who would like to visit some plantations and see what is happening on the cacao front in his home country. As well as try some Colombian cacao.

I thought I would check on this forum to see if anyone has any recommendations?

updated by @Chrissie Bettencourt: 04/22/15 19:06:02
Kerry
@Kerry
09/07/10 17:35:51
288 posts

Playing with Nib to Bar Milk Chocolate


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

I've been playing with a small melanger and made a batch of milk chocolate that so far is the best I've made from scratch. The recipe still needs work - but I'm seeing great potential for this.

I'm linking to the topic I posted on eGullet rather than repost everything here.


updated by @Kerry: 04/11/25 09:27:36
Dirke Botsford
@Dirke Botsford
09/08/10 10:25:55
98 posts

Leaky cordials and caramels


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

These are all enrobed by hand, I'm thinking it just didn't seal properly since the problem areas are around the cherry stem and some, now that I've looked are poorly enrobed center because I was in a hurry. Gotta learn how to be more patient I guess. One of these days I will get it....?Cheers
Jeff
@Jeff
09/08/10 10:07:04
94 posts

Leaky cordials and caramels


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

its a pain in the ass but we look at every cavity and use a small artists palette knife to remove any potential problem areas. with 32 cavities x 25 molds a run its a mind numbingly tedious process but our reject rate is very low now. patience is key. meticulous anal retentive exactitude a must.
Dirke Botsford
@Dirke Botsford
09/08/10 09:49:30
98 posts

Leaky cordials and caramels


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Thanks Jeff, I guess I need to have a little more patience and ensure a good coating. THX
Jeff
@Jeff
09/08/10 09:07:44
94 posts

Leaky cordials and caramels


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

dirke,we make thousands of very liquid cordials and caramels every week. A very small percentage always leak. It is, most likely, a seal problem. we take great care to make sure no filling rides up the sides creating a place where the filling can ooze out. this is, most likely, where your problem is.
Dirke Botsford
@Dirke Botsford
09/07/10 11:27:53
98 posts

Leaky cordials and caramels


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Just made my first batch of cherry cordials along with some salted caramels, they look great and everything but their gooey goodness is oozing out? Why? is it just not completely sealed? this has never happened on the caramels before.......?any suggestions

updated by @Dirke Botsford: 04/11/25 09:27:36
Susan Van Horn
@Susan Van Horn
09/24/10 10:20:38
32 posts

blending couverture


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Sorry for the delay in answering. Your info is much appreciated. I'm making a batch this weekend so, we shall see!
Mann Made Chocolate
@Mann Made Chocolate
09/12/10 12:14:17
7 posts

blending couverture


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Re: blending dark with milk - I'm not an expert, but I have done this successfully using "couverture" quality milk and dark. I don't know if this is right, but its worked for me: melt both first to the manufacturer's recommendations, although I admit I often cheat and just target 115-118 F. I then pick a ratio (wild guess), say 80% milk and 20% dark (depending, of course, on the dark I'm using). I pour the dark into the milk, and fold it in. I don't know if the folding is necessary (as opposed to just quickly mixing), but folding just feels better to me. Then I temper the mixture using the temperature profile of the milk chocolate. After it is fully tempered and set a while (I like to wait a day if I can), I then taste it. I don't really find a lot of value in tasting the melted, pre-tempered chocolate, because to my palate, it doesn't predict the final taste. I try to do several experiments at once: 80/20, 75/24, 67/33, 50/50. That way, I know on day 2 which will work and which won't. Interestingly, I've found that while the end product will temper fine...I have been disappointed with the flavor often. Instead of adding depth and complexity (as I had hoped), the dark adds a "muddiness." But that may be the brands I'm using. I'm still playing with it, looking for the right blend that will make a somewhat darker, somewhat less sweet "dark milk chocolate."
Susan Van Horn
@Susan Van Horn
09/10/10 14:03:20
32 posts

blending couverture


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Along the same line as blending like couvertures, what about blending dark with milk?
peter guppy
@peter guppy
09/10/10 07:29:31
3 posts

blending couverture


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

cheers for the comments much appreciated.had ago and seems to of worked fine, now going to try out the new blend on some punters.
Mark Heim
@Mark Heim
09/09/10 19:04:06
101 posts

blending couverture


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Easy would be to just mix the blend to taste, then temper the blend. The temperature to temper to will depend on the amount of milk fat. So a blend of dark and milk will temper between either, same dark/white, or milk/white. You have to deal with the same thing with different milk chocolates tempering at different temperatures.
Sebastian
@Sebastian
09/09/10 06:03:30
754 posts

blending couverture


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Yup, you're on the right track. It's not rocket science, so don't over complicate it by seeding with both types of what you're blending. I'd personally choose the chocolate that has the least milk fat (most cocoa butter) in it to seed with, but both will work. Do it on a small scale (100g) first and taste it to see if it's giving you the flavor profile you want.
peter guppy
@peter guppy
09/06/10 15:48:31
3 posts

blending couverture


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Hi all


I want to start blending different couvertures to create my own unique flavours and have a couple of questions relating to technique and flavours.


Technique

I work with a 15k table top tempering machine and was wondering if blending was as simple as putting the right present of each couverture in the machine to melt the bulk & then seedingwith the correct percentage of each couverture?


Flavours

I only intend to blend dark/dark, milk/milk & white/white.


As a novice I haveno idea how the various couvertures mixed will work together and would appreciate any views, opinions & experience on this matter.


If anyone could guide me in the direction of any reference material on this subject it would be much appreciated.


Apologise if this has previously being covered in the forum. Ive had a search but not find anything. Let me know if you need more details from me.


Thanks in advance.

Peter


updated by @peter guppy: 04/11/25 09:27:36
Pierrick marie Chouard
@Pierrick marie Chouard
09/28/10 10:34:00
5 posts

The WORST "Article" About Chocolate - EVER


Posted in: Opinion

Good Comment Clay. Thank you for setting the record straight.Pierrick ChouardVintage Plantations Chocolates.
Mann Made Chocolate
@Mann Made Chocolate
09/12/10 11:35:11
7 posts

The WORST "Article" About Chocolate - EVER


Posted in: Opinion

Clay, this is such a thoughtful, articulate response -- bravo! Thank you for keeping the record straight.
Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
09/11/10 18:55:50
1,688 posts

The WORST "Article" About Chocolate - EVER


Posted in: Opinion

I tried to write a response over on the Natural News site, but the software won't allow me write a post longer than a certain length. I posted the intro on Natural News with a link back to this comment.

Following is my entire response:
===================================================================

Over on my web site, TheChocolateLife.com, I called the original version of this article The Worst Article on Chocolate Ever Written. I suppose, in response to a private message I sent to Mr Adams, he felt compelled to make some changes that took hours of additional research and discussions with cacao experts. I would like to know which "experts" Mr Adams spoke with - and if any of them were NOT identified with the raw foods community. He certainly did not consult me, or acknowledge my message to him.

My bona fides. I have been researching cacao and chocolate since 1994 and I've been writing about chocolate professionally since 2001. My critically acclaimed book, Discover Chocolate, was published in 2007. I have been to Ecuador twice (and also visited cacao plantations Bolivia, Venezuela, Mexico, and Belize among other places). I am a friend of Santiago, the founder of Pacari, and have many friends and acquaintances in the raw chocolate world. None of what follows is to in any way be perceived as casting any aspersions on the quality of the products Pacari produces. Santiago is a very nice guy and I believe he is highly ethical and to be believed in his claims for his products.

That said, the updated version of the article is no better and in some ways worse than the original

The following quote is breathtakingly wrong: "... virtually all the chocolate used in candy bars, chocolate chips, chocolate cakes, breads and so on is derived from a new, genetically divergent plant called CCN-51 -- a pale shadow of the original cacao tree it was supposed to replace." The world annual harvest of cacao beans is roughly 3 million metric tonnes. Ecuador's contribution to that harvest is approximately 3-5% and only a portion of that is CCN-51, which is not grown widely in many other countries. So there is simply no way that "virtually all of the chocolate used ... is from a new, genetically divergent plant called CCN-51."

What is "genetically divergent" supposed to mean? Genetically modified? In fact CCN-51 was created through conventional cross breeding techniques and was not genetically engineered in a lab. Like many cross-breeding programs in cacao, the purpose of this program was to create a variety with improved yield and disease resistance, with no attempt to select for flavor characteristics. There is no laboratory evidence (that I am aware of) that suggests, let alone proves, that CCN-51 is nutritionally inferior to Nacional in any way - assuming that the two varieties were grown and processed the same way. One might taste better, but better taste does not infer better nutrition.

Nacional is the preferred name for the variety among professionals. Arriba is a colloquial term that means "upriver" because cacao traders needed to go upriver (the Guayas) from the port of Guayaquil to get the beans. In more than 15 years, I have never heard the beans referred to as "Arriba Nacional complex by trinitari." The name Arriba came to be associated over time with the flavor of Nacional, which Mr Adams refers to as lychee but has been historically more commonly described as a combination of orange blossom and jasmine.

Another claim: "Once you eat the fruit, you're left with cacao seed pods." Actually, you don't eat the fruit. If you are lucky enough to open a fresh cacao pod, you get the great pleasure of being able to eat the pulp that surrounds the seeds. You do need to leave some of the pulp behind, because it is the fermentation of the pulp that is responsible for developing flavor compounds in the seeds. Once the seeds have been fermented they are dried and it is the dried cacao seeds (now called cocoa beans) that are turned into chocolate.

The seed pods are not, as Mr Adams writes, "dried and fermented." Only the seeds (the pods are normally composted in the cacao orchard), and it is necessary to ferment before drying. It is physically impossible to ferment a dried cacao seed.

In a conventional chocolate, the cocoa beans are roasted to develop flavor and to make it easier to remove the shell. Obviously, the beans used to make raw chocolate are not roasted. The "meat" of a cocoa bean (roasted or unroasted) is called nib. Nib is ground into a thick paste (most commonly called cocoa liquor (which is not alcoholic). Cocoa liquor can either be pressed to separate the fat (cocoa butter) from the non-fat solids. If the separation is done in a hydraulic press (the most common method), the non-fat solids form a compressed cake (called press cake) that is kibbled (broken into bits) and then ground into cocoa powder, contrary to Mr Adams assertion that, "The resulting fine powder is a cacao 'cake.'"

It is also important to note that the name, theobroma cacao, is Latin. It was given to cacao by Europeans. There is no evidence - anywhere in South America - that cacao seeds were ever consumed until after cacao was domesticated by the Olmecs and Toltecs in Central America. In Ecuador specifically there is no cultural iconography of cacao. You will find corn and many other plants depicted in art and textiles, but not cacao. It is the Aztecs, thousands of miles away in what is now Mexico, who believed that cacao was a gift from the gods.

Finally, Mr Adams writes, "When you get some of this, consider it a treasure. I recommend not feeding it to anyone who isn't enlightened enough to appreciate what they are consuming. Most children, in particular, are expecting sweet "junk" chocolate and will likely not appreciate "Arriba" cacao."

In fact, virtually all raw chocolate, and unsweetened chocolate in any form, is an acquired taste. Unsweetened raw chocolate is doubly so, irrespective of the type of bean it's made from - they wouldn't appreciate chocolate made from raw Arriba cacao or raw Porcelana cacao, or any other varietal. One of the main reasons that children will not like unsweetened chocolate in any form (junk or no) is that they do not possess receptors on their tongues to process bitter flavors (most young children don't like anything bitter, not just chocolate), we grow into our ability to enjoy bitter flavors.
Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
09/11/10 17:49:27
1,688 posts

The WORST "Article" About Chocolate - EVER


Posted in: Opinion

I made a screenshot of the updated article for all to see. Even heavily JPGd it's almost a meg.If the article continues to be updated, let me know and I'll track its progress.
Mann Made Chocolate
@Mann Made Chocolate
09/10/10 22:44:02
7 posts

The WORST "Article" About Chocolate - EVER


Posted in: Opinion

My feeling is that this "article" finds its voice in the parlance of the infomercial: First, find something that is popular. Then, find a way to use just a hint of truth to state that ALL forms of the thing (whatever it is) have been made vulgar, artificial, fake, and so on. It's especially good if you use hifalutin talk like: "a genetically divergent cacao plant that lacks the true phytochemical potency that gives real chocolate its many beneficial properties." (Really? Sure is a lot of research on theobromine, (-) epicatechin, effect on endothelial function, etc. on a product that lacks "phytochemical potency.") Next, with great PASSION for all that is GOOD, claim that what you are selling is ALL NATURAL and PURE and THE ONLY ONE OF ITS KIND! Finally, make sure that this wonderful and precious new version is VERY RARE and VERY HARD TO OBTAIN and painstaking to produce.This "article" seems little more than advertising that follows the typical pattern mastered by Ron Popeil, then brought to its current fear-mongering status by Kevin Trudeau: Set the problem as undisputed fact; establish that YOU THE CUSTOMER have this problem and "THEY" have DUPED you; reveal the SECRET solution that THEY don't want you to know about; and then offer it for sale, ideally in LIMITED AMOUNTS or FOR A LIMITED time.In related news, I just heard that to protest that there is NO MORE REAL CHOCOLATE, some preacher with 12 parishioners is going to burn a stack of Dagoba bars.PS: By the way, I am not in any way impugning the product itself. I'm just commenting on the method of using an "article" to sell a product.
Matt Caputo
@Matt Caputo
09/10/10 20:33:44
53 posts

The WORST "Article" About Chocolate - EVER


Posted in: Opinion

Looks like they changed the article.
Warren Laine-Naida
@Warren Laine-Naida
09/09/10 03:51:14
3 posts

The WORST "Article" About Chocolate - EVER


Posted in: Opinion

:o) I like this piece
Tom
@Tom
09/05/10 17:29:44
205 posts

The WORST "Article" About Chocolate - EVER


Posted in: Opinion

Wow, the intro is a doozy, I hate to imagine what it read like before the "extensive research and revision"!!
Walter Plante
@Walter Plante
09/05/10 10:37:46
9 posts

The WORST "Article" About Chocolate - EVER


Posted in: Opinion

Clay, I have to agree. A colleague had posted a link to this article on our FB page. After I had read it, I thought I might just go in and add a few comments to explain the inaccuracies - a teachable moment about cacao origin and bean variety, if you will. But, I quickly came to realize that making any reference to the aricle would only cause confusion - it was too far off the mark. We simple deleted the link to this article. To try to re-educate would have just caused more confusion.I'm sure there is no direct connection with Pacari since they are a high quality outfit making great chocolate while continuing their social mission.I've seen some real bad articles out there that basically state that "raw" chocolate is the ONLY form of chocolate that has any health benefits and that once you hit some magic temperature, ALL of the nutrients disappear. I will try to hunt this one down.
Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
09/04/10 14:48:19
1,688 posts

The WORST "Article" About Chocolate - EVER


Posted in: Opinion

A lot gets written about chocolate every day.

Some of it is very good, a lot of it is pretty good, some of it is so-so, and every once in while you run across something that is so badly researched and written that it just takes your breath away. It's probably the Worst "Article" on Chocolate Ever Written .

It's hard to know where to start pointing out what's wrong with this article, written by Mike Adams, the self-proclaimed Health Ranger and editor of NaturalNews.com. He may be an expert on what makes news natural, but he is no authority on chocolate. And, actually, it's not really an article - it's a very long-winded sell sheet for Pacari chocolate.

Here's just one of the howlers the author tries to pass off on his readers, " virtually all the chocolate used in candy bars, chocolate chips, chocolate cakes, breads and so on is derived from the hybridized plant calledCCN-51-- a pale shadow of the heirloom "Arribe Nacional" cacao it was supposed to replace. " Huh? Ecuador is responsible for only a small percentage (3-5% depending on source cited) of the world harvest of cacao so how can virtually all of the chocolate used in virtually everything made with chocolate be derived of the demonized CCN-51?

It can't of course. But, Mr Adams is less concerned with facts than fear-mongering.Just for fun, have a look to see if you can spot where else Mike goes wrong (spoiler - the first inaccuracy is in the second sentence), and share your thoughts with the rest of us.

And, while you're at it ... if you have other nominations for really bad (as in inaccurate, and/or misleading) writing about chocolate - please share it with the rest of us and when there are enough responses I'll create a "Top 10 Worst ..."

[ Why would I want to do this? Almost every day someone asks me a question about chocolate where I wonder - where did they ever get the idea to ask that question? The answer is articles like the one cited above. By identifying the sources we can hope to bring the light of truth(ful research and writing) to bear. ]

:: Clay

PS. I've met Santiago of Pacari (whose chocolate is being promoted in this "article") and spoken with him at length - at the Salon du Chocolat last year, and at Fancy Food Shows and various events over the past several years. I don't think that much, if any, of what's in this article is actually attributable to Santiago.

updated by @Clay Gordon: 04/10/15 15:16:37
Steve Wilson2
@Steve Wilson2
02/01/13 12:19:31
3 posts

Unsweetened (or stevia sweetened) milk chocolate?


Posted in: Classifieds ARCHIVE

Thanks for the info Richard, that gives me a couple of things to try including 100% chocolate if the craving hits me, I quite like stevia and coconut oil too so it sounds a great way to make low-carb chocolate. Much appreciated.

Steve Wilson2
@Steve Wilson2
01/11/13 11:11:38
3 posts

Unsweetened (or stevia sweetened) milk chocolate?


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Thanks Richard, yeah the link must be out of date here's a working one http://danteconfection.com/store/products/category/sugarfree/

What mix do you use for your own if you don't mind me asking and does it work out cost effective?

Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
01/10/13 21:13:18
1,688 posts

Unsweetened (or stevia sweetened) milk chocolate?


Posted in: Classifieds ARCHIVE

Richard:

I have a colleague (the buyer at a local chocolate store) who is going to ISM (international confectionery show) in a couple of weeks and I have asked him to see if he can locate it, try it, and see if it's worth bringing in. They already bring in product from Germany so they should be able to combine shipping.

In the meantime, it's available on Amazon.de and other on-line shopping outlets in the EU - the company, Tiroler Edle, is Austrian.

:: Clay

Steve Wilson2
@Steve Wilson2
08/28/11 08:52:50
3 posts

Unsweetened (or stevia sweetened) milk chocolate?


Posted in: Classifieds ARCHIVE

I know this is dark rather than milk but its the closest I could find to meet your requirements and no-one else has posted about it. 98%cocoa 2%stevia chocolate bar Let me know if you try it as I really want to get some, but postage to UK is too expensive

Steve

Kristina
@Kristina
11/01/10 05:18:12
21 posts

Unsweetened (or stevia sweetened) milk chocolate?


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I don't think there is aniything except lactose in Tiroler Edle 70% purissima maxima (an Austrian company, in cooperation with domori).
They claim, there is 70% cacao and 30 % milk - cacao mass, whole milk powder and cacao butter.

I was very positively surprised by the taste - expresively chocolaty and with the caramel note, typical for good milk chocolates, and - this is most important thing - not too sweet.
Sebastian
@Sebastian
10/11/10 04:29:50
754 posts

Unsweetened (or stevia sweetened) milk chocolate?


Posted in: Classifieds ARCHIVE

Strange career path, isn't it? My background is actually genetic engineering and organic chemistry, but after having done it for a number of years discovered i pretty much hated lab work (and waged a philosophical war wherein i came to the conclusion that what i was doing was wrong - just because we can, doesn't mean we should - but that's another topic). I pretty much lucked into chocolate 20 years ago - fell into it completely by accident (or providence, depending on how you view things) - never in a million years that i'd be doing what i'm doing now, didn't even know it was an option!
Nat
@Nat
10/10/10 20:08:49
75 posts

Unsweetened (or stevia sweetened) milk chocolate?


Posted in: Classifieds ARCHIVE

Ah, ok, I understand now. Thanks for clarifying that. I should've warned you that us botanists get feel uneasy when people talk about plant origins, especially since I've spent the last 10 years trying to teach people that chilis are from Central America and not Asia, and that mangos are from Borneo and not Mexico!This may be off topic, but can you tell us how you went from studying the extraction and synthesis of Rebaudiosides to chocolate making? And is it really a simple enough compound to make it cheaper to create from bioreactors (using yeast or E. coli?) rather than extract from plants?
Sebastian
@Sebastian
10/09/10 18:01:23
754 posts

Unsweetened (or stevia sweetened) milk chocolate?


Posted in: Classifieds ARCHIVE

Sorry, I meant the actual physical source for the material that is currently commercially available was african. commercially, it's not being supplied as a direct extract from this plant any longer - rather it's an enzymatic bioreaction process.My frame of reference? Was part of the team that was responsible for it's identification and subsequent creation of the process required to commercialize it.
Nat
@Nat
10/09/10 09:04:08
75 posts

Unsweetened (or stevia sweetened) milk chocolate?


Posted in: Classifieds ARCHIVE

Sebastian, sorry, since I research plant origins and ethnobotany, when you said the "plant is African" I assumed you meant the plant has its natural distribution in Africa, which it is not. It is from Southern South America as this book on Stevia explains: http://books.google.com/books?id=nzRU9byD63MC&lpg=PA178&ots=t6mRxtIo_L&dq=Stevia%20rebaudiana%20distribution&pg=PA31#v=onepage&q=Stevia%20rebaudiana%20distribution&f=false The first Rebaudioside A may have been extracted from a plant growing in Africa, but I can't find any source that verifies that. Again this book implies that happened in Japan: http://books.google.com/books?id=SqxiTbma2JwC&lpg=PA1&dq=rebaudioside%20A%20first%20 (isolated%20OR%20extracted)&pg=PA1#v=onepage&q=rebaudioside%20A%20first%20(isolated%20OR%20extracted)&f=falseAre you thinking of thaumatin or Talin, a non-caloric natural sweetener that is 2000x sweeter than sugar that is extracted from the plant Thaumatococcus daniellii that is of African origins? I've played with this chemical and it's very difficult to use due to its super strong and lingering sweetness. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thaumatin
Sebastian
@Sebastian
10/09/10 04:44:48
754 posts

Unsweetened (or stevia sweetened) milk chocolate?


Posted in: Classifieds ARCHIVE

Nat - actually, the plant grows in many places, however the geography from which it was first extracted and purified for commercialized consumption was Africa, and the subsequent enzymatic scale up production process was based from that material, with a significant amount of that work being completed in Israel and Minnesota. It was from that material that it was understood that there are multiple glycoside fractions that contribute to the overall sweetness of the gross (whole) material, and that some of those fractions are sweeter than others, with the rebaudioside-A fraction as delivering the highest sweetening potency.There are hundreds of different species in the rebaudiana family, and vary from location to location, with their glycoprotein components similarly varying (ie, your stevia plant in mexico will likely sweeten - and taste - differently than your stevia plant from s. africa). Some are definitely more naturally potent than others, and some do a better job at mitigating the off flavors associated with the product than others.
Nat
@Nat
10/08/10 16:57:56
75 posts

Unsweetened (or stevia sweetened) milk chocolate?


Posted in: Classifieds ARCHIVE

Tina,There's already this erythritol-sweetened chocolate on the market: http://www.lowcarbchocolates.com/mbars.html and I think I've seen this or a rebranded version of it at Trader Joes or Whole Paycheck.I've made chocolate from xylitol but it has a strange cooling effect in the mouth that was disconcerting and it left a lingering sweet aftertaste that is not so desirable. It may also have the gas-producing effect that people complain about with malitol, and is an not-discussed side effect of the agave powder (inulin) that some are using in "raw" chocolate. Inulin is not digestible by humans, but your gut bacteria love it, so you can see where the bad side effects come from!BTW, Sebastian, Stevia is a South American plant, not African, as the posted article explains. It is actually used traditionally as a sweetener for mate along with lemon verbena in areas like Argentina, Paraguay, Uruguay, and S. Brazil where mate is drunk. But plain stevia has a nasty bitter aftertaste I don't like. Reb A in combo with small amounts of sugar has a much better taste profile, though that nullifies the sugar free benefit of it!
Mann Made Chocolate
@Mann Made Chocolate
10/07/10 22:00:13
7 posts

Unsweetened (or stevia sweetened) milk chocolate?


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Update: Check out this article from Confectionary News
Sebastian
@Sebastian
09/04/10 16:24:05
754 posts

Unsweetened (or stevia sweetened) milk chocolate?


Posted in: Classifieds ARCHIVE

The Reb A component (the sweeter of the protein fractions) is very, very expensive. Very. As in if you had a shoe box full of the stuff you'd retire a very rich man. Good thing it's blended with 99.9% maltodextrin to make it affordable 8-)Chocolates have already been developed with stevia as the high intensity sweetener. The formulations are completed, and ready to roll. What's lacking is the demand. A chocolate mfr is not about to start offering another type of chocolate that requires a clean out (and hence complexity and waste) if the new product isn't going to deliver something unique and value added over what they're currently producing. That demand is not there (yet at least) for stevia chocolates at sufficient scale to make it reasonable.
Mann Made Chocolate
@Mann Made Chocolate
09/04/10 12:06:28
7 posts

Unsweetened (or stevia sweetened) milk chocolate?


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The only sugar-free products I can find use sugar alcohols, usually maltitol. It is interesting there is no "unsweetened" milk chocolate. I don't know if the chemistry is the issue, but more likely just not a lot of demand for it. I suspect the average customer for milk chocolate expects a sweet product. Even the "high percentage cocoa" milk chocolates are pretty sweet, in my opinion. But maybe there is a market for "bittersweet milk chocolate" that has been undiscovered.Stevia is still a relatively new sweetener in the U.S. I can't help but believe that there would be a demand eventually because of the perception that it is "natural" etc. I don't know how expensive it is when purchased on an industrial scale, which probably is important.You might contact PerfectlySweet.com . The owner is on a "sugar-free mission" and only sells sugar-free products. He may know of either a source or something coming "down the pike."On the medical side, while it's reasonably easy to incorporate small amounts of dark chocolate (70%) into one's diet with minimal adverse effect on blood sugar, it's a harder (but not impossible) to manage with milk chocolate. The impact on blood sugar levels for about 3 oz of milk chocolate is comparable to an 8 oz glass of apple juice, a ripe banana, or a 2 oz bag of corn chips, based on Glycemic Load (GL), which is the most commonly used method of expressing the effect of a food on blood sugar. A "high cocoa mass" milk chocolate has a GL around 7 per 50 gms. However, a milk chocolate that has a lower percentage of cocoa mass (meaning more sucrose and lactose) may have a GL double that. The lactose has some effect, although it's glycemic index is fairly low at 46-48.A sugar free version of milk chocolate typically cuts the GL to about 3-5 per 50 gms, or roughly half of a good quality milk chocolate, so it makes some sense that people who are very concerned about minimizing blood glucose spikes consider a sugar-free product. (However, sugar-free products still contribute calories, and if one develops excess body fat, insulin resistance can lead to blood sugar elevations.)Once a Hollywood celebrity starts demanding stevia-sweetened chocolate, it'll happen somewhere. :-)
Sebastian
@Sebastian
09/02/10 19:01:56
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Unsweetened (or stevia sweetened) milk chocolate?


Posted in: Classifieds ARCHIVE

I'm assuming you're diabetic, if you're managing your blood sugar levels, so you probably already know taht milk sugar will have lactose in it. If you remove sucrose from the formulation, you're going to have left a physical void that needs to be filled with something - most industrial producers fill sugar void with a sugar alcohol (maltitol, for example), and replace the milk with a milk protein (sodium caseinate, for example). You'll need to give some thought as to what you will replace your milk and sugars with, depending on your specific situation.There is not anyone making this on a large scale commercial scale as far as i know, but i've not looked recently. The folks over at chocolate alchemy can help you try your hand at making a batch at home, but it will require about a 500 dollar investment to get you rolling.Stevia is essentially a protein from an African plant. it's actually 2 proteins - there's a A fraction and a B fraction. Commercially, it's become available in the last year via a fermentation process that enzymatically produces one of these fractions. it results in a powder that's approximately 600x sweeter than sucrose. from your store, you can buy it already preblended with a carrier, or a bulking agent - such as maltodextrin, that roughly makes a teaspoon of it about as sweet as a teaspoon of sugar. you can try to use that as a guide to dial in a sweetness level you are interested in, but maltodextrins will impart a certain textural impact.
Tina McDonald
@Tina McDonald
09/02/10 07:24:54
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Unsweetened (or stevia sweetened) milk chocolate?


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I am trying to find unsweetened milk chocolate or stevia sweetened milk chocolate. Yes, I know I haveplebeiantaste buds, but I love the texture of the milk chocolate, just not the cloying sweetness. And I do love dark couverture for the silky texture, but even that has a bit more bitterness than I like, and too much sugar. I could also use some protein in my vice to help with blood sugar levels. Anyone know of any makers doing this, or who could tell me how to make unsweetened couverture into unsweetened milk chocolate with home kitchen equipment?

Thanks,
Tina

updated by @Tina McDonald: 04/07/25 13:00:14
Ricky Sanders
@Ricky Sanders
10/04/10 11:57:16
3 posts

Need help describing a new Chocolate item


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As a Chocolatier that does shows and events, plastic glasses would be my last choice to use. Good luck in your venture. Think you would be better off changing your target market, have to agree with the other two on this one.
Dirke Botsford
@Dirke Botsford
09/08/10 22:44:59
98 posts

Need help describing a new Chocolate item


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I agree with Andrea, not sure if this would be appealing to all that many people. just my opinion. I see where you are hoping to go with it but I would rather use a nice glass to make a special desert rather than plastic, seems cheap. I wish you the best with it regardless.
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